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Default I was just thinking about this.. - 11-05-2009, 09:48 PM

In Kingdom Hearts, it is revealed that Kairi is the Princess of Radiant Garden, but it does not say who the King, or Kairi's father, is. In Kingdom hearts 2, however, it is said that Ansem the Wise was the Ruler of the world, which leads me to wonder this.

Would Ansem The Wise be considered Kairi's father, if he is the King?
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In Kingdom Hearts, it is revealed that Kairi is the Princess of Radiant Garden, but it does not say who the King, or Kairi's father, is. In Kingdom hearts 2, however, it is said that Ansem the Wise was the Ruler of the world, which leads me to wonder this.

Would Ansem The Wise be considered Kairi's father, if he is the King?
Princess of Heart isn't a literal term. It just means that they are a person with no darkness in their heart. They're not all really princesses in their worlds, just the princess of heart found there. Like Alice, definantly not a princess.
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Well technically, it hasn't been confirmed that Kairi is the princess of Radiant Garden.

So far in the series, all we know is that Kairi is a Princess of Heart who originally lived in Radiant Garden, but that doesn't mean that she was an actual princess of that world. The term "Princess of Heart" is meant to refer to individuals with hearts of pure light, but it doesn't necessarily make that individual a princess of a world.

It just so happened that most individuals with pure hearts turned out to be princesses:

Princess Cinderella
Princess Snow White
Princess Aurora
Princess Belle
Princess Jasmine

But I wouldn't consider Alice a "princess" which sort of supports the idea that Princesses of Heart don't need to be princesses of worlds.

As for Kairi, it's known whether she was of royalty or not.

Ansem the Wise was the leader of Radiant Garden, but he never seemed to identify having a relation to Kairi. However, in KH1 we got to see one of Kairi's memories from her childhood of when her grandmother told her a fairytale. It should be noted that the setting for that scene is at the Library in the Radiant Garden Castle. One would expect for castles to house important leaders and royal families, and the fact that Kairi and her grandmother are permitted within the Castle certainly seems to indicate that Kairi and her family was welcomed there. However, in the recent BBS trailer, when Ven tried to enter what appeared to be the Castle, the guards refused to permit him inside.

From this, it seems not just anyone was allowed to enter the Radiant Garden Castle, but for whatever reason Kairi's family seems to be permitted within the Castle.

Quite possibly, this could indicate that Kairi was of royalty, even though nothing conclusively proves this.

However, I doubt there was a strong relation between Kairi and Ansem.

Perhaps Radiant Garden was politically set up in such a way where they selected the wisest and most capable man to lead the people, but still had an old monarchy for traditional purposes.

If Ansem and this "royal family" were the residents of the Castle, then perhaps that is how Xehanort became aware of Kairi. It's hard to believe that he would just find her among all the citizens of Radiant. So if Xehanort, having no place of his own and being cared for and taught by Ansem, was allowed to live or spend time somewhere in or around the Castle, then perhaps he caught sight of or came in contact with one the Castle's very special residents, Princess Kairi.


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As for Kairi, it's known whether she was of royalty or not.

Ansem the Wise was the leader of Radiant Garden, but he never seemed to identify having a relation to Kairi. However, in KH1 we got to see one of Kairi's memories from her childhood of when her grandmother told her a fairytale. It should be noted that the setting for that scene is at the Library in the Radiant Garden Castle. One would expect for castles to house important leaders and royal families, and the fact that Kairi and her grandmother are permitted within the Castle certainly seems to indicate that Kairi and her family was welcomed there. However, in the recent BBS trailer, when Ven tried to enter what appeared to be the Castle, the guards refused to permit him inside.
Keep in mind that in KH2, even though the worlds were restored by Sora and Co in KH1, no one was inhabiting the castle in KH2. Even though the world was still under construction, there is no mention of the people who previously lived in the castle. It's an inconsistency in the storyline that will likely never be addressed, but they should have been restored just like Destiny Islands.

Destiny Islands was completely engulfed and swallowed by the darkness along with the people that were living there. In KH2, all those people and the islands themselves were right back to normal. It could be that HB was never actually wholly swallowed, but Sora makes the reference at End of the World in KH1 that all the worlds would be restored after beating Ansem. That actually never happened though, or at least they didn't make it a strong point in the second game.


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Keep in mind that in KH2, even though the worlds were restored by Sora and Co in KH1, no one was inhabiting the castle in KH2. Even though the world was still under construction, there is no mention of the people who previously lived in the castle. It's an inconsistency in the storyline that will likely never be addressed, but they should have been restored just like Destiny Islands.

Destiny Islands was completely engulfed and swallowed by the darkness along with the people that were living there. In KH2, all those people and the islands themselves were right back to normal. It could be that HB was never actually wholly swallowed, but Sora makes the reference at End of the World in KH1 that all the worlds would be restored after beating Ansem. That actually never happened though, or at least they didn't make it a strong point in the second game.
In this case you should ask yourself 1 thing
"what does Sora know?"
There's no way that Sora would know that ALL words will be back to the normal, maybe there are exceptions like worlds not completly destroyed or others


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In this case you should ask yourself 1 thing
"what does Sora know?"
There's no way that Sora would know that ALL words will be back to the normal, maybe there are exceptions like worlds not completly destroyed or others
I'm fully aware of this, but there were presumably no people left in HB during KH1 and then in KH2, the entire town is populated (though you don't see many people). I understand the world was expanded beyond the Rising Falls and Castle for KH2, but you can't expect the FF gang to leave and everyone else to stay. Also, Traverse Town consisted of people from all the worlds who happened to escape their worlds' destruction somehow. They all likely returned to their previous worlds when they were restored, not went to HB. However, they don't all have gummi ships. The other example is how all the PoH's returned to their worlds from HB. It's essentially understood that when Sora beats Ansem and closes the door, everything refreshes and goes back to the way it was including people being "magically" transported from one world to another.

There's a lot of inconsistencies if you really dig deep into what is going on but this is likely because they didn't intend to expand the series this much when it was first created.


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Default 11-06-2009, 09:58 PM

Honestly i dont believe in the inconsistencies of what has been stated so far, the inconsitencies that i see are only involed with BBS for me.

To answer there is more than one way to travel between the worlds, aside from gummi ships and the power of KH. The prinesses as mentioned had the option of leaving HB, but chose to stay and not go back home. and after all said in done, Sora chose not to go back to the islands, he had a choice in the matter.

And the statement he said about in the end of the worlds. He was referecing to the worlds he saw taken by the heartless, thats why he says all "those" worlds will be restored. meaning the ones that are lost, not every single world restored to how it was, so HB would only recover its people.

Now lets take a look at KH2 HB, we actually have 2 giant castles, villans vale may not have been the actual castle or royal place, even if it was why would anyone hang out there when theres all those heartless surronding it?and with no ruler and the guards that were being nobodies now, it furthers it.


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Keep in mind that in KH2, even though the worlds were restored by Sora and Co in KH1, no one was inhabiting the castle in KH2. Even though the world was still under construction, there is no mention of the people who previously lived in the castle. It's an inconsistency in the storyline that will likely never be addressed, but they should have been restored just like Destiny Islands.
Well they might have not addressed the people living in the castle because it is just assumed that they lost their hearts like so many residents of Radiant Garden. Ansem the Wise was the only one of real significance since he was the leader of the world who was deeply involved with the development of the Heartless.

KH'Days is the only game so far where several definite inconsistencies exist. I hope BBS and Coded don't present anymore inconsistencies than what KH'Days had.


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